he's the president of the united states and next day he wakes up 368,000 more people have given up looking for work in addition to the other hundreds of thousands that have given up. that's a complete contradiction to the whole mood of this convention and turned the corner and give me two more years, we're on the right track. those numbers are not on the right track and that's the reality of the american people have in their heads as they go into this. >> i agree with you on that, labor force participation rate, the low s since 1981, 65.3%. if that's the reality you're dealing with, jason, the case is, if we only do more of the same, then things will turn the corner, and we make progress, we'll turn the corner and if that persuades them-- >> perhaps. the question, to get back to what kim said, those arguments were made at the convention, obama didn't make them in his speech, but they were made by others and the question is, is that good enough or do people need to hear it from the president. but i think particularly in the case about, you know, i was-- i inherited this mess and clinton of